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Post by Time_Spinner on Feb 19, 2011 3:09:25 GMT -5
Energy, tangent from motive crackling and burning a single point in the mental illusions coiling, then firing
Eyes glare with retribution silence, a wisdom secreted hidden in a wordless vow slightly, enchantedly demented
Borne from a frigid voice laced with gentle arsenic drafted from the phantom void downfall, lush and pleasant
Infantile and amused harsh laugh, drifted sage a long road traveled, dappled villainy innocence, spoiled with age.
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Post by Aish on Apr 25, 2011 16:08:46 GMT -5
{innocence, spoiled with age. } I've been having an ongoing discussion with a few friends in regards to the true nature of innocence, truth, and wholeness. In some ways I feel innocence is a superior state as it is full of possibility and the pure desire of how one will emerge. I enjoyed this immensely.
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Post by Time_Spinner on May 15, 2011 16:18:03 GMT -5
Have you ever read Sophie's World? It's a book regarding the history of philosophy but the history is told through letters from a mysterious philosopher to a teenage girl named Sophie; its a very good read.
In regards to innocence, it gave me a lot of good thoughts and ideas on the subject. The philosopher had written how children are naturally great philosophers, because they are not yet used to the world and are constantly questioning it because of all the new things they are viewing. He used the example that a baby and his parents are eating dinner, when the father flies into the air. The mother is screaming her head off, but the baby is so astonished and fascinated because he, unlike the mother, doesn't know YET that humans are not supposed to fly. We lose that childlike curiosity when we grow older, so we no longer question how the world works because we are content with just going with the way things are.
So, I do agree with you, but I guess it depends on how one views innocence; whether it be a state of mind that one devotes themselves to (being pure and pious) or the beginning of humanity before it becomes defiled with sin, bad habits, knowledge, etc. (such as children).
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Post by LonelyForsaken on May 15, 2011 19:46:00 GMT -5
Very good write. Only one change;
“Infantile and amused harsh laugh, drifted sage a long road traveled, dappled villainy innocence, spoiled with age.”
Great stanza backed with wisdom.
I wrote something in “Nothing but Inanities” once that went something like this; “Innocence is only a virtue if it is temporary.”
That is not to say I don’t wish I could go back occasionally and view this world as I did when innocent. There is a reason for the term; “Innocents lost.” It is a loss that can never be returned.
“…truth, and wholeness.” Now there is a subject I have been learning about recently. It is amazing how well we can hide the truth form even ourselves and when we do wholeness suffers.
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Post by Aish on May 16, 2011 0:31:09 GMT -5
No, I haven't read that book, but thanks for the head's up! I will check it out.
So, I do agree with you, but I guess it depends on how one views innocence; whether it be a state of mind that one devotes themselves to (being pure and pious) NO. Piety is generally shallow and self-serving and "purity" depends on personal definition although most think in terms of virginity, or ascetism in various forms.
or the beginning of humanity before it becomes defiled with sin, bad habits, knowledge, etc. (such as children). This is more my definition of innocence. Viewing the world from the aspect of children. Even though my childhood was rough, my sense of wonder and possibility and belief in myself was left intact until a little later on. Most of the friends I had then have passed, but the one who is left I have a special bond with, because we knew each other before life turned us inside out and we internalized our surroundings. It's amazing how much a persons perceptions can change over time, not only about themselves but also of the world in general. It's a cyclical discussion, because both states i.e. innocent and jaded, have merit. Wholeness is also a transatory description with many facets and degrees that fluctuate at different periods across a lifetime. In many ways I was more "whole" and truly myself @ 14 - and yet now I am "whole" in a completely different manner as well as damaged. There is a "whole" from a spiritual point of view that is fragmented, as spirituality deals with far more than just issues of God and eternity. Love is truly a pursuit of the spirit; romantic love, parental love, sacrificial love, the love of vocation, the love of God, etc. Life for us creatures is quite complex, and deceptively simple.
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Post by Time_Spinner on May 16, 2011 1:36:52 GMT -5
I like your emphasis on the word "NO." It actually startled me a little bit. But I do tend to lean more towards the "child" definition of innocence, mostly because of Sophie's World and my own experiences as a child.
I think the things we want as humans are simple (love, life, health), but our own perceptions are twisted as we experience more...I guess in a way our own views become...not necessarily tainted...but our own views become influenced by experience, opinion and other events that sometimes our views may not even truly be our own. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the things we want are simple, but we try to acheive them through complex means that shouldn't really be so complex; we just make them that way. Though I could be completely wrong.
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Post by Aish on May 17, 2011 15:51:52 GMT -5
Yup, deceptively simple.
Have you noticed that really simple people seem to be happier?
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Post by Time_Spinner on May 17, 2011 16:07:19 GMT -5
They do. It seems like when you let go of the complexities of worrying, stress and strife, everything just seems to fall into place.
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Post by atomicparakeet on May 24, 2011 13:52:24 GMT -5
I think this poem and its message can be read from more than one angle. Very nice writing. "Eyes glare with retribution silence, a wisdom secreted hidden in a wordless vow slightly, enchantedly demented Borne from a frigid voice laced with gentle arsenic drafted from the phantom void downfall, lush and pleasant" the best bits
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